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  CO was asking for money in his talk last night

  by life is to short in

  1. watchtower
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  ok i listened in on the phone last night to the co's talk after the book study.

  i am truly starting to realize that otwo is right and it is just making me more depressed and mad.

  but my husband still goes and it is helpful to be able to bring things up with him.. so i was half listening when he starts to go on about where the money goes that we put into the world wide work box at the back of the hall.. i started to tune in more and he was going on and on about how the ones in the full time service do not have any money and how what we give is what keeps them going and how we need to give.

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  Faaaark . . . so much bullshit . . . I'm going to bed . . . thanks for doin all the work wasblind

  Luvonyall
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  The role of the Home Bible Study arrangement in JW brainwashing

  by MrMonroe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've just started reading "year of doom, 1975: the inside story of jehovah's witnesses" by english author j.c. stevenson.

  it was published in 1967 as basically a memoir of his years in the dubs, including time as a pioneer, and an explanation of the methods used by them to make the organisation grow.. it's not the best "insider" book i've written, but there is a section i've uploaded below that makes some interesting points about the home bible study procedure and why it is so effective at turning interested people into baptism candidates.

  reading through this, i see myself back in the mid-80s sitting there getting led, week by week, into the trap.. this section is from chapter 2, "the seed is watered" in which he explains the typical process following a few return visits.. .

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  Vidiot . . . Limestone . . . petroleum . . . both good examples and very provable scientifically . . . the only way WT can counter this is to cast aspersions on the truthfulness and motives of science . . . pathetic really . . . Past and current WT teachings in this area just should not exist . . . it's just crap
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  CO was asking for money in his talk last night

  by life is to short in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok i listened in on the phone last night to the co's talk after the book study.

  i am truly starting to realize that otwo is right and it is just making me more depressed and mad.

  but my husband still goes and it is helpful to be able to bring things up with him.. so i was half listening when he starts to go on about where the money goes that we put into the world wide work box at the back of the hall.. i started to tune in more and he was going on and on about how the ones in the full time service do not have any money and how what we give is what keeps them going and how we need to give.

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  Murray Smith

  wasblind . . . Money probably . . . too expensive . . . especially since begging was off limits back then . . . cheaper just to crack the whip a bit harder over the heads of the sheep!
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  The role of the Home Bible Study arrangement in JW brainwashing

  by MrMonroe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've just started reading "year of doom, 1975: the inside story of jehovah's witnesses" by english author j.c. stevenson.

  it was published in 1967 as basically a memoir of his years in the dubs, including time as a pioneer, and an explanation of the methods used by them to make the organisation grow.. it's not the best "insider" book i've written, but there is a section i've uploaded below that makes some interesting points about the home bible study procedure and why it is so effective at turning interested people into baptism candidates.

  reading through this, i see myself back in the mid-80s sitting there getting led, week by week, into the trap.. this section is from chapter 2, "the seed is watered" in which he explains the typical process following a few return visits.. .

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  Murray Smith

  Granted . . . exit from WT thinking is not instant that's for sure
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  The role of the Home Bible Study arrangement in JW brainwashing

  by MrMonroe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've just started reading "year of doom, 1975: the inside story of jehovah's witnesses" by english author j.c. stevenson.

  it was published in 1967 as basically a memoir of his years in the dubs, including time as a pioneer, and an explanation of the methods used by them to make the organisation grow.. it's not the best "insider" book i've written, but there is a section i've uploaded below that makes some interesting points about the home bible study procedure and why it is so effective at turning interested people into baptism candidates.

  reading through this, i see myself back in the mid-80s sitting there getting led, week by week, into the trap.. this section is from chapter 2, "the seed is watered" in which he explains the typical process following a few return visits.. .

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  Murray Smith

  Just to be sure your not mis-quoting me Vidiot . . . the old beliefs under all that dust were the evolutionary timetables which are somewhat more provable than any evidence for creation. I put them aside only to find on my exit from WT they were always there . . .just ignored

  I did a bit of tertiary education (tut tut) in geology which included the study of the history and formation of limestones . . . when you consider that cave formations (stalactites etc) can be fairly accurrately dated to as old as 130 million years . . . and require an extensive evolution even prior to that . . . then 40,000 years since earths creation is laughable . . . it's a given I hope that limestone comes from sea creatures is common knowledge

  The mind control process described in my previous posts was able to 'overlay' this knowledge as to make it inconsequential to me . . . it's not something I'm proud of . . . but it reinforces the point
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  CO was asking for money in his talk last night

  by life is to short in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok i listened in on the phone last night to the co's talk after the book study.

  i am truly starting to realize that otwo is right and it is just making me more depressed and mad.

  but my husband still goes and it is helpful to be able to bring things up with him.. so i was half listening when he starts to go on about where the money goes that we put into the world wide work box at the back of the hall.. i started to tune in more and he was going on and on about how the ones in the full time service do not have any money and how what we give is what keeps them going and how we need to give.

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  Thanks for that wasblind . . . be ten years since I read that . . . bout two years before I threw every bit of WT lit out in the rubbish . . . seems like I got a better memory without the book than those who produce it and still have it . . . nuther WT flip-flop to suit the times
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  CO was asking for money in his talk last night

  by life is to short in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok i listened in on the phone last night to the co's talk after the book study.

  i am truly starting to realize that otwo is right and it is just making me more depressed and mad.

  but my husband still goes and it is helpful to be able to bring things up with him.. so i was half listening when he starts to go on about where the money goes that we put into the world wide work box at the back of the hall.. i started to tune in more and he was going on and on about how the ones in the full time service do not have any money and how what we give is what keeps them going and how we need to give.

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  I distinctly remember a Chapter in the Proclaimers book quoting C T Russell and stating that soliciting money from the platform was just never done

  something about "Jehovah does not need to beg . . . " I don't have the publication anymore . . . but it sounds like that policy is redundant now??
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Are NOT Under Mind Control

  by PublishingCult in

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  how would you respond to the assertion that 7.2 million members of the jehovah's witness religion are not under any sort of mind control?.

  the argument being that every one is responsible for their own actions and cannot blame the indoctrinator for what he says and does.

  how could they possibly be under mind control?.

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  Murray Smith

  Second that d f . . . almost impossible even if you DO know
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  NZ Earthquake Update

  by Murray Smith in

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  2. friends

  update from chch nz just in case anyone out there is interested .

  we're still gettin kicked up the ass down here by some punchy aftershocks .

  still coming at about 1 every 90 mins.

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  Murray Smith

  Thankfully I live in what appears a strong house . . . concrete block . . . but EVERY line of mortar is now cracked . . . I guess there's some steel in there somewhere otherwise I'm living in a house of free-stacked blocks.

  You'd think 5000 aftershocks since Sept 4th I'd be gettin used to it . . . and I was! . . . this new rupture is right near the city though, and the aftershocks seem so much more menacing . . . huge BOOM . . . like a bleedin Howitzer goin off outside the back door . . . and then the jolt is really aggresive . . . people are leaving the city in droves . . . over 100,000 gone already . . . atmosphere here is really tense.

  Hey thanks for your posts . . . makes me feel less isolated during this
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  NZ Earthquake Update

  by Murray Smith in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  update from chch nz just in case anyone out there is interested .

  we're still gettin kicked up the ass down here by some punchy aftershocks .

  still coming at about 1 every 90 mins.

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  Murray Smith

  Wise move anyway bigmouth . . . the whole bloody country is lit up with a few quakes at the moment . . . got a spare room?

  Seriously . . . I've never felt so intimidated by the incredible power being unleashed here right now . . . it's frazzeling my nerves